Friday, March 16, 2012

Who Kills Who???

Whoa! The authors do not agree with Ellen White as to what and who killed Jesus. Let me know what you think about these pieces of writing:
Desire of Ages p. 772 She clearly states that Jesus was killed by a broken heart caused by mental anguish. She also writes that Jesus was slain by the sin of the world. She and I agree. Sin kills Jesus-- not the Father. This is backed up by 1 Cor. 5:21. 
Desire Of Ages p. 761. Here she writes that Satan is complicit as the murderer of Jesus and because of it the last links of sympathies from the Heavenly Angels were broken. If God the Father were killing Jesus too "executing justice on Calvary" as the two authors of the Character of God book are saying here, would that cast God the Father and Satan as working together to "punish-kill" Jesus? I say if it doesn't make sense it isn't true.
Desire of Ages p. 762. She quotes 2 Cor. 5:19. If the Father is in Christ as the scripture says, and the father executes His son on the cross, isn't the Father killing Himself? Finally, back in the beginning--at the Garden of Eden, when God tells His children do not eat this fruit for on the day that you do you will surely die. That word "surely" is not a threat. it is a fact. It means that if they ate it they would inevitably, consequentially die. In the same way as if a friend says non-threateningly, if you jump off that cliff you will surely(inevitably, consequentially) die. It doesn't have anything to do with the friend if I jump. It's a consequence of my own actions if i die. And Adam dies after living 930 years. Eight hundred years after Seth was born Adam died. Did God kill him? No. I can walk through any grave yard and say the same thing. In general, the residence in the grave yards of the world died because sin killed them, not God. The wages of sin is death....God is not out to kill His children....He is out to love and save them....but the gift of God is everlasting life...
God finalizes the eradication of sin actively by simply standing in front of his rebellious self-centered children. Those rebellious children die of broken hearts caused by mental anguish as they see what they did and what they will miss out on. The Death of Christ on the cross was a demonstration of what sin does. It kills. Even God. It was to show what would happen to the sinners who would not repent in the end. And what does God the Father do while His son dies on the cross? He withdraws. That is His wrath. So He withdraws from Jesus and so He will from all of His rebellious children in the end. The rebellious, the vast majority of His children, in the end--they don't want to have anything to do with their Creator. So He honors their request. It isn't punitive.  He withdraws Himself from them. The rebellious experience a surprisingly, tremendously odious, hurtful, painful, loss just as Jesus did on the cross when he experienced His Father's withdrawal--"Father, why have you withdrawn from me!?" It's not punitive on the Father's part. His love for them is everlasting. He's just honoring their honest requests. He will not force Himself and his love upon their souls. For the final time, and while the life "giving"(other-centered) Father weeps, their life will be at an end. Sin and it's host who have not been changed in a twinkling of an eye, cannot stand before God and it kills it's hosts.The dead are extinguished in fire. Sin and sinners are no more. There is harmony in the universe. All declare that God is love.

The glory-- is it a yellow or bright light? No. It is His character. His character is His "otherness." Love is other-centeredness. And it is life. To be like God is to be other-centered. For God so loved the world that He gave....With the way the world is today..selfish, self-centered, self aggrandizing, self-reliant, self promoting, self-pleasing, self pleasuring...talking about other-centeredness doesn't seem so narrow to me. There is nothing that God does that isn't other-centered when one thinks about it. 
Thanks for writing....I look forward to reading your responses.

God bless you.
Scott 

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